If you live in a place where shorts are just part of the daily routine -- where they're *not* intrinsically a statement -- wear the shorts, do the work. Or wear the suit and do the work. But, above all, read the room. And if you don't like how the room reads, maybe this isn't your place.
Don't forget to mention that women have had to put up with insane AC temps, so I don't think they have an advantage b/c they can wear a sundress. Who does that anyway!?!?!
I love shorts. I'm a big defender of shorts for men (you just gotta know how to style em and you can avoid looking like a big 12 year old). I've lived in very hot, shorts-friendly climates all my life.
That said... I think shorts in the office is an affront to good taste.
Did the hard working staff miss the news that Japan is wearing shorts to work. The most important thing is will the women wear short shorts and a bare midrift???? Ah!!! For those wondrous days of the late 60's with bell bottoms and mini skirts!!!!
In Japan, they are trying to move in the shorts direction but some women don’t want to see the knees. So, men with hairy legs will have to shave just like the women in skirts. Thats probably the next manly fashion statement.
Another factor at play here is the "work from home" habits we all developed earlier this decade. I'm sitting here (at work - but also reading your post :)) and I am wearing shorts. Yesterday was the first day in two and a half months in which I wore long pants - to a lunch meeting an hour south of my home. Perhaps I am guilty of sartorial deficiency, but I remain a respected corporate executive of a 100-person consulting firm nonetheless. And I am told my 66-year-old knees are just fine!
i suggest the new lighter long pants made by outdoor companies like columbia, the north face an ll bean. heck even costco carries them now. i haven't worn shorts now since the late 80s. i grew up. i rarely even wear short sleeves, the new sunblocking shirts are so much better than sunscreen and more comfortable than a cotton t shirt. after a lifetime at sea i started wearing these clothes 28 years ago when they were a new thing, and its all i wear now except in deep winter, when the flannel comes out. i still remember the 94 world cup, and how americans thought it was funny that any sport where men wore short shorts could be taken seriously....of course the shorts are a bit longer now, but were comically short in the 70s, the 78 wc teams looking like poster boys for a teen girlie mag with their tiny little shorts....
Hopefully this isn’t as big outside of southern state schools, but as frustratingly are running shoes with suiting. It’s an epidemic with the return of frat dues here
I worked one place in Florida where they had an outdoor dining area next to the cafeteria. To get to the cafeteria, I and anyone else who worked in the same building as me approached this area down a 50 yard long straight sidewalk. There was a young woman who would consistently sit at the table closest to and facing this sidewalk wearing a skirt that, when she was standing up, was barely long enough to cover her panties. She'd sit, knees over a foot apart, panties unavoidably visible to anyone approaching the cafeteria via that sidewalk. And that was, apparently, consistent with company dress policy. I guess I should have been thankful she wore panties instead of going "commando". I worked another place where I saw a woman wearing a very nice, clingy, red dress that came down to her knees. But she didn't have a thing under it, and that was obvious from 30+ feet away (I could tell she shaved). But no, men couldn't wear shorts at either place. I've seen see-through tops (granted, with full coverage bras under them), women obviously bra-less, and spray-painted on clothing on women that left nothing to the imagination. All this was in "professional" environments (cubical farms). But no, men couldn't wear shorts. If it weren't for double standards, there would be no standards at all. So I keep my mouth shut, and enjoy the show, because saying something like "that's a nice shade of blue" to the woman showing off her panties at the first place mentioned above would get a man fired, but dressing like she did and sitting where and how she did not only had to be accepted, it couldn't be remarked upon.
Hegseth’s demotions&dismissal of women in the military is interesting as his wife must babysit him&is involved in meetings she’s not qualified to attend. I seldom make judgments about who people are attracted to, but a white Christian nationalist, weekend anchor on Fox, who wears more makeup than me, I just struggle to understand.
AMEN. Also “tennis dress shoes” with white soles. Dumbest idea since brown shoes with a bright blue suit. No brown in town I say.
If you live in a place where shorts are just part of the daily routine -- where they're *not* intrinsically a statement -- wear the shorts, do the work. Or wear the suit and do the work. But, above all, read the room. And if you don't like how the room reads, maybe this isn't your place.
Don't forget to mention that women have had to put up with insane AC temps, so I don't think they have an advantage b/c they can wear a sundress. Who does that anyway!?!?!
I love shorts. I'm a big defender of shorts for men (you just gotta know how to style em and you can avoid looking like a big 12 year old). I've lived in very hot, shorts-friendly climates all my life.
That said... I think shorts in the office is an affront to good taste.
A concise piece, DWD. I could describe it as "short," but that would be too easy.
Did the hard working staff miss the news that Japan is wearing shorts to work. The most important thing is will the women wear short shorts and a bare midrift???? Ah!!! For those wondrous days of the late 60's with bell bottoms and mini skirts!!!!
In Japan, they are trying to move in the shorts direction but some women don’t want to see the knees. So, men with hairy legs will have to shave just like the women in skirts. Thats probably the next manly fashion statement.
Another factor at play here is the "work from home" habits we all developed earlier this decade. I'm sitting here (at work - but also reading your post :)) and I am wearing shorts. Yesterday was the first day in two and a half months in which I wore long pants - to a lunch meeting an hour south of my home. Perhaps I am guilty of sartorial deficiency, but I remain a respected corporate executive of a 100-person consulting firm nonetheless. And I am told my 66-year-old knees are just fine!
i suggest the new lighter long pants made by outdoor companies like columbia, the north face an ll bean. heck even costco carries them now. i haven't worn shorts now since the late 80s. i grew up. i rarely even wear short sleeves, the new sunblocking shirts are so much better than sunscreen and more comfortable than a cotton t shirt. after a lifetime at sea i started wearing these clothes 28 years ago when they were a new thing, and its all i wear now except in deep winter, when the flannel comes out. i still remember the 94 world cup, and how americans thought it was funny that any sport where men wore short shorts could be taken seriously....of course the shorts are a bit longer now, but were comically short in the 70s, the 78 wc teams looking like poster boys for a teen girlie mag with their tiny little shorts....
Hopefully this isn’t as big outside of southern state schools, but as frustratingly are running shoes with suiting. It’s an epidemic with the return of frat dues here
i noticed during the world cup everyone in the studios and the sidelines had suits with sneakers on. woody allen was ahead of his time i guess.
Slacks and a dress shirt in the office say "I need this job."
Shorts and a sports jersey in the office say "This job needs me." Bonus if you have soccer player calves.
Unless you're one of those people whose job is pleasing clients in person, guess which one tends to get paid better?
wear a dishdashah / thawb like the Arabs have been doing for millennia
I worked one place in Florida where they had an outdoor dining area next to the cafeteria. To get to the cafeteria, I and anyone else who worked in the same building as me approached this area down a 50 yard long straight sidewalk. There was a young woman who would consistently sit at the table closest to and facing this sidewalk wearing a skirt that, when she was standing up, was barely long enough to cover her panties. She'd sit, knees over a foot apart, panties unavoidably visible to anyone approaching the cafeteria via that sidewalk. And that was, apparently, consistent with company dress policy. I guess I should have been thankful she wore panties instead of going "commando". I worked another place where I saw a woman wearing a very nice, clingy, red dress that came down to her knees. But she didn't have a thing under it, and that was obvious from 30+ feet away (I could tell she shaved). But no, men couldn't wear shorts at either place. I've seen see-through tops (granted, with full coverage bras under them), women obviously bra-less, and spray-painted on clothing on women that left nothing to the imagination. All this was in "professional" environments (cubical farms). But no, men couldn't wear shorts. If it weren't for double standards, there would be no standards at all. So I keep my mouth shut, and enjoy the show, because saying something like "that's a nice shade of blue" to the woman showing off her panties at the first place mentioned above would get a man fired, but dressing like she did and sitting where and how she did not only had to be accepted, it couldn't be remarked upon.
Don't forget puckered fabrics.
Sundresses for all!!!
What about air conditioning though?
Hegseth’s demotions&dismissal of women in the military is interesting as his wife must babysit him&is involved in meetings she’s not qualified to attend. I seldom make judgments about who people are attracted to, but a white Christian nationalist, weekend anchor on Fox, who wears more makeup than me, I just struggle to understand.