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David Pancost's avatar

The Dems are a bottom up coalition of sometimes competing interests barely held together by the belief that govt can & should make life a little less nasty, brutish, & short. The GOP is a top down ideological party captured by Trump dedicated to destroying the federal govt as we've known it for 90 years. There's no way the Dems were going to save ACA, Medicaid, SNAP, or anything else, shutdown or no shutdown. What they've managed to do is demonstrate just how malevolent Trump & his whores, hacks, & grifters really are. Could they have done as much without a shutdown? Probably. Could they do more by extending it? I don't see how. Time to move on.

BTW, disgust with the Dems for not being more effective is silly. No one knows how to stop Trump, not the courts & certainly not the GOP establishment ante. The best anyone can hope for is that he'll self-destruct. permanently damage the GOP, & give the Dems a chance to fix whatever they can.

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John O'Neil's avatar

It’s possible … just barely possible … that when this deal ends in January after

— the House and Senate vote against extending the subsidies

— the big jump in insurance costs have kicked in

— Trump has done more crazy and unpopular stuff

— there’s no longer the prospect of ruining holiday travel, which would have been bad for Dems as well as Republicans

— and with Dems having positioned themselves as the responsible, moderate,flexible party

that … the Eight will sign on for a new shutdown with their party in a stronger position?

I don’t think this reopening is happening for such strategic reasons. And cave once, cave always is far more likely. But … a guy can hope, can’t he?

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