You might want to consider not soft-pedaling what is plainly authoritarianism if not outright fascism by insisting on calling it "populism," which has a far different connotation to most laypersons. Just a thought.
Mehdi Hasan on MSNBC had Michael Sfard on. He is an Israeli human rights lawyer. Both men wondered if after these protests, as Israelis learn more civics and gain a greater understanding of their rights and who controls these, will ever realize that they live very close to the Palestinians who have NO rights under the endless occupation.
If you think the issue is that Israelis “don’t realize they live near Palestinians” you’re delusional. There were 18 people murdered by Palestinians in the last two months. They’re well aware.
Have you lived in the country? Do you know many Israelis? Do you know the diversity of the local politics? Maybe you missed the point that the country is highly polarized, not unlike the US. If you don’t like sweeping statements about the US, such as US progressives are as clueless as Trumpers, when the topic is something random, perhaps extend a similar understanding to a country that knows much more about its own conflict than you do.
When I said the two have nothing to do with each other I didn’t mean the conflict with the Palestinians shouldn’t be resolved. I meant that they literally have nothing to do with each other. An anti Israel propagandist like Hassan will always find a way to shit an Israel. Progressives for some bizarre reason are so captured by pro Palestinian propaganda that they dig and find connections where there are none. It’s a real country. Not everything to do with Israel also has something to do with the conflict.
How ironic that I, an American citizen living in Germany, am afraid for family and friends in Israel and for a country that has been slowly decimating its democracy just as fascist elements are decimating democracy in my homeland.
I'd be interested to learn of opinion poll data as to how badly this may effect Netanyanu in a forthcoming election. Big protests are all well and good but they tend to reflect the opinions of people who were going to vote against the particular policy anyway.
Netanayu’s strangle hold on Israeli politics certainly proves that human beings do not learn from history. Fascist Jews are two words that I never thought could exist in the same sentence. And yet here we are. How can generations that have been persecuted for thousands of years persecute others? How can those who have suffered the worst crimes against them commit the same crimes? Israel cannot survive as a Democracy because freedom and equality do not exist for all Israelis. Church and state are one unjust institution. Religious extremism of any kind is the antithesis of freedom and has no constructive place in the modern world. The US needs to impose painful financial sanctions and isolate this illegal Israeli government NOW.
If you read history, you would have predicted what is happening in Israel. The oppressed becoming the oppressor once they gain power happens waaaay more often than not. Were the French revolutionaries nice and tolerant once they gained power? Were the Communists in either Russia and China?
We so often become what we hate. Our parents. Our abusers. Our slavers. Our murderers. Our fascists. Israel, at the affect of centuries of abuse (ongoing today) suffers from the systemic antisemitism that has made them incapable of seeing they have become as ruthless those who inflicted horrors upon them, horrors they now inflict on those whose home was taken from them.
Israel is a construct of Britain (the paragon of world domination), conceived in infamy and with total disregard for the human beings who were cast out of their homeland and those who remain – in a prison of brutal oppression not unlike the Jewish ghettos of German occupied Poland and the Soviet Union.
Israel is not a construct of Britain. Britain actively worked against the construction of the state. It flew reconnaissance missions during the foreign Arab armies invasion, passing information to their allies in Jordan’s Hashemite kingdom and Egypt. They armed, funded, trained, and lead Jordan’s Arab Legion, the most potent military invading force fighting the new Israeli state.
Zionism precedes the British Mandate of Palestine, Zionists were rarely British citizens, and Britain curtailed Jewish immigration to their territory, even during the Holocaust and after it. Zionism is a movement of Jewish refugees from violently antisemitic Europe and the Arab world to their native country.
It feels/appears to be similar COVID contagien but of the social/political kind. A virus is loose trying to severely harm and kill the democratic way of life & governance
I agree about sweeping statements about complex conflicts. This conflict, two Semitic peoples both trying to live on the same land, is very upsetting and emotions run hot. Muaician Daniel Barenboim grew up in Israel and always will have a house in Jerusaelem. He has both an Israeli and a Palestinian passport. I was quoting him about the two Semitic peoples. He goes on to say that they will either kill eachc other or learn to live together. I apologize for sweeping statements about this incredibly complex situation. And yes, the protests against Netanyahu's plans for the Judiciary do not involve the Palestinians in any immediate sense.
You might want to consider not soft-pedaling what is plainly authoritarianism if not outright fascism by insisting on calling it "populism," which has a far different connotation to most laypersons. Just a thought.
Indeed. I found that confusing. Populism sounds so benign!
Please explain how curbing the power of a judiciary that has been acting as a self-perpetuating oligarchy constitutes "fascism".
Mehdi Hasan on MSNBC had Michael Sfard on. He is an Israeli human rights lawyer. Both men wondered if after these protests, as Israelis learn more civics and gain a greater understanding of their rights and who controls these, will ever realize that they live very close to the Palestinians who have NO rights under the endless occupation.
The two have nothing to do with each other.
Most people certainly agree with you.
If you think the issue is that Israelis “don’t realize they live near Palestinians” you’re delusional. There were 18 people murdered by Palestinians in the last two months. They’re well aware.
That was not my comment but that OF an Israeli. They certainly don;t act like they're aware. And I deplore the violence from both sides.
Have you lived in the country? Do you know many Israelis? Do you know the diversity of the local politics? Maybe you missed the point that the country is highly polarized, not unlike the US. If you don’t like sweeping statements about the US, such as US progressives are as clueless as Trumpers, when the topic is something random, perhaps extend a similar understanding to a country that knows much more about its own conflict than you do.
When I said the two have nothing to do with each other I didn’t mean the conflict with the Palestinians shouldn’t be resolved. I meant that they literally have nothing to do with each other. An anti Israel propagandist like Hassan will always find a way to shit an Israel. Progressives for some bizarre reason are so captured by pro Palestinian propaganda that they dig and find connections where there are none. It’s a real country. Not everything to do with Israel also has something to do with the conflict.
Well said
Fascists are bound by hate. Hard to get them to the "come to Jesus" moment .
Eh. Don’t count on it.
How ironic that I, an American citizen living in Germany, am afraid for family and friends in Israel and for a country that has been slowly decimating its democracy just as fascist elements are decimating democracy in my homeland.
I'd be interested to learn of opinion poll data as to how badly this may effect Netanyanu in a forthcoming election. Big protests are all well and good but they tend to reflect the opinions of people who were going to vote against the particular policy anyway.
Netanayu’s strangle hold on Israeli politics certainly proves that human beings do not learn from history. Fascist Jews are two words that I never thought could exist in the same sentence. And yet here we are. How can generations that have been persecuted for thousands of years persecute others? How can those who have suffered the worst crimes against them commit the same crimes? Israel cannot survive as a Democracy because freedom and equality do not exist for all Israelis. Church and state are one unjust institution. Religious extremism of any kind is the antithesis of freedom and has no constructive place in the modern world. The US needs to impose painful financial sanctions and isolate this illegal Israeli government NOW.
If you read history, you would have predicted what is happening in Israel. The oppressed becoming the oppressor once they gain power happens waaaay more often than not. Were the French revolutionaries nice and tolerant once they gained power? Were the Communists in either Russia and China?
We so often become what we hate. Our parents. Our abusers. Our slavers. Our murderers. Our fascists. Israel, at the affect of centuries of abuse (ongoing today) suffers from the systemic antisemitism that has made them incapable of seeing they have become as ruthless those who inflicted horrors upon them, horrors they now inflict on those whose home was taken from them.
Israel is a construct of Britain (the paragon of world domination), conceived in infamy and with total disregard for the human beings who were cast out of their homeland and those who remain – in a prison of brutal oppression not unlike the Jewish ghettos of German occupied Poland and the Soviet Union.
Israel is not a construct of Britain. Britain actively worked against the construction of the state. It flew reconnaissance missions during the foreign Arab armies invasion, passing information to their allies in Jordan’s Hashemite kingdom and Egypt. They armed, funded, trained, and lead Jordan’s Arab Legion, the most potent military invading force fighting the new Israeli state.
Zionism precedes the British Mandate of Palestine, Zionists were rarely British citizens, and Britain curtailed Jewish immigration to their territory, even during the Holocaust and after it. Zionism is a movement of Jewish refugees from violently antisemitic Europe and the Arab world to their native country.
It feels/appears to be similar COVID contagien but of the social/political kind. A virus is loose trying to severely harm and kill the democratic way of life & governance
I agree about sweeping statements about complex conflicts. This conflict, two Semitic peoples both trying to live on the same land, is very upsetting and emotions run hot. Muaician Daniel Barenboim grew up in Israel and always will have a house in Jerusaelem. He has both an Israeli and a Palestinian passport. I was quoting him about the two Semitic peoples. He goes on to say that they will either kill eachc other or learn to live together. I apologize for sweeping statements about this incredibly complex situation. And yes, the protests against Netanyahu's plans for the Judiciary do not involve the Palestinians in any immediate sense.