The worst thing for the future of Gaza is to allow Hamas to exist, perform another genocidal massacre like Oct 7th (they say they’ll do it again) and invite another war with Israel. The rounds just get worse over time.
Zero tolerance towards psychopathic terrorist organizations and allowing de-nazification of the population is probably the best thing that can happen to Gazans in the long run.
By wrong you mean "I accept the Hamas story as it's reported immediately by anti-Israel journalists, then forget to make correction when the truth comes out?" I guess one Al Ahli incident isn't enough, might as well keep going with fake numbers, fake news and excellent journalism that doesn't wait for facts when spreading Hamas propaganda fits a political goal.
I missed that Slate piece on Arab-Americans voting for Trump. Now that I read it, I will think all day about this hopelessly naive assessment of a second Trump presidency:
"That indirect vote for Trump brings a guy into office who I don’t know what he will do. At the worst, he will be nasty toward us here, like he was in the past. And we can fight him within the law. I cannot fight Joe Biden when he stands with Israel,” he said."
Trump is yoked to evangelical voters, and evangelical eschatology is such that Israel's survival is of paramount importance. There's not much more to it than that. If he didn't have to depend on evangelical voters' votes, he'd likely not care as much about Israel's fate.
A good chunk of the current Israeli government wants a 21st century version of the 20th century’s Armenian Genocide with Palestinians playing the starring role. Trump will tell them not to do it until after they clear out all of the news media.
(even more dispirited at the state of stupid that is Israel/Palestine discourse having finally watched "Barbie" for the Hugos over the weekend and noticing that it can absolutely be thought about as a smart movie and legitimate SF. We are not worthy of the staggering genius of Mark Ronson of course.)
THANK YOU. People simply need to remember which Jews Donald Trump is inclined to listen to and how proud he is of having been the best president for Israel ever. Neither of these two things have changed.
If you're against what's happening to the Palestinians, what can you do? Both parties are falling all over each other over who can be more pro-Israel. I remember hearing Trump say he would end the wars in Ukraine and Gaza on day one. This inevitably plays well with the protesters, who want the killing to stop, first and foremost
It's fairly astounding that so many people have deluded themselves into thinking that Trump is better for Palestinians, much less neutral - if he could get rid of Israel's PR problems by clicking a button that killed every person in Gaza he'd click it 100/100 times. This is also the same guy who just yesterday said he'd deport pro-Palestinian protestors from the country.
"Trump doesn't care about how many Palestinians die" That's not in the AP article, so stop asking us to read something that doesn't apply. And your comment about killing every person in Gaza is typical TDS hysteria.
We don't know what Trump would do, but we know what Biden is doing. This is why the anti-war side is looking at him.
You’re right that we don’t know what Trump would do but we can be assured whatever he does won’t be with Palestinians best interests in mind. You and the ceasefire crew can continue to deny reality but that doesn’t change the facts on the ground.
Stopping the war now is in their best interests. Believing Trump will do that might be clutching at straws, but it's all the antiwar people got. That's my point.
Hamas brought destruction to Gaza.
The worst thing for the future of Gaza is to allow Hamas to exist, perform another genocidal massacre like Oct 7th (they say they’ll do it again) and invite another war with Israel. The rounds just get worse over time.
Zero tolerance towards psychopathic terrorist organizations and allowing de-nazification of the population is probably the best thing that can happen to Gazans in the long run.
Along with that, I'll take a zero tolerance on bombing refugee camps.
You mean you take zero tolerance for Hamas storing munitions under and next to civilians? I’m guessing you don’t actually care about that.
Based on your comments here your guesses have been consistently wrong and I'm glad to see your streak remains unbroken.
By wrong you mean "I accept the Hamas story as it's reported immediately by anti-Israel journalists, then forget to make correction when the truth comes out?" I guess one Al Ahli incident isn't enough, might as well keep going with fake numbers, fake news and excellent journalism that doesn't wait for facts when spreading Hamas propaganda fits a political goal.
https://substack.com/@pebo1/note/c-57544476?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=1mebvk
It's possible to care about more than one thing at a time.
"De-nazification of the population" is Putin's program in Ukraine, right?
When school textbooks say it’s ok to murder Jews - I’d call that nazification.
I would recommend reading about Hamas/PA/UNWRAs special education system.
I missed that Slate piece on Arab-Americans voting for Trump. Now that I read it, I will think all day about this hopelessly naive assessment of a second Trump presidency:
"That indirect vote for Trump brings a guy into office who I don’t know what he will do. At the worst, he will be nasty toward us here, like he was in the past. And we can fight him within the law. I cannot fight Joe Biden when he stands with Israel,” he said."
God help us.
All I can do is LOL at that “logic.”
Trump is yoked to evangelical voters, and evangelical eschatology is such that Israel's survival is of paramount importance. There's not much more to it than that. If he didn't have to depend on evangelical voters' votes, he'd likely not care as much about Israel's fate.
I can’t stand Trump, but in this one policy area he is the more clear thinker than Biden.
As occasionally happens, he lands on the right conclusion for entirely the wrong reasons.
A good chunk of the current Israeli government wants a 21st century version of the 20th century’s Armenian Genocide with Palestinians playing the starring role. Trump will tell them not to do it until after they clear out all of the news media.
(even more dispirited at the state of stupid that is Israel/Palestine discourse having finally watched "Barbie" for the Hugos over the weekend and noticing that it can absolutely be thought about as a smart movie and legitimate SF. We are not worthy of the staggering genius of Mark Ronson of course.)
THANK YOU. People simply need to remember which Jews Donald Trump is inclined to listen to and how proud he is of having been the best president for Israel ever. Neither of these two things have changed.
If you're against what's happening to the Palestinians, what can you do? Both parties are falling all over each other over who can be more pro-Israel. I remember hearing Trump say he would end the wars in Ukraine and Gaza on day one. This inevitably plays well with the protesters, who want the killing to stop, first and foremost
You can vote for candidate who is inarguably better for the plight of the Palestinians (Biden) instead of reacting emotionally and illogically.
You are inarguably ignoring my point. At least Trump says he'll end the killing. This is what is appealing to those opposing the onslaught.
Trump has called for an end to the war in Gaza, which is very different from an end to the killing in Gaza. It's obvious Trump doesn't care about how many Palestinians die, he just correctly sees that the ongoing war is very bad for Israel from a PR perspective: https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b
It's fairly astounding that so many people have deluded themselves into thinking that Trump is better for Palestinians, much less neutral - if he could get rid of Israel's PR problems by clicking a button that killed every person in Gaza he'd click it 100/100 times. This is also the same guy who just yesterday said he'd deport pro-Palestinian protestors from the country.
"Trump doesn't care about how many Palestinians die" That's not in the AP article, so stop asking us to read something that doesn't apply. And your comment about killing every person in Gaza is typical TDS hysteria.
We don't know what Trump would do, but we know what Biden is doing. This is why the anti-war side is looking at him.
You’re right that we don’t know what Trump would do but we can be assured whatever he does won’t be with Palestinians best interests in mind. You and the ceasefire crew can continue to deny reality but that doesn’t change the facts on the ground.
Stopping the war now is in their best interests. Believing Trump will do that might be clutching at straws, but it's all the antiwar people got. That's my point.
Bibi will be gone sooner or later. Trump likes Gantz. The “General”.
The Atlantic ran a piece on Degrowth Communism today, so they are not ok.